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AQ: Change autotransformer to VFD or soft starter

What the parameters needed if we change from autotransformer (6.6kv/3.3kv) to VFD or Soft starter?

Since you got Auto Transformer 6.6/3.3 kV mean you have inductive load with constant speed in that case you should go for Soft starter, best way is collect all the motor data and send it to Soft Starter manufacturer along with the motor starting curve if available also you may ask for capacitor bank for PF improvement.

If you’re planning to use a Soft Starter or VFD for motor starting, you need to specify the horsepower rating, voltage rating, rated frequency, the type of motor (induction wound rotor or induction squirrel cage), the type of motor load (compressor, pump), motor load starting torque requirement and motor loading cycle. This information is important in selecting the type or model of the Variable Frequency Drive (VFD) or Soft Starter unit.

AQ: MCCB burn out in connection with 22kW motor

125A rated MCCB is connected with 22KW motor. The motor runs in normal condition, no overload. But the contacts of MCCB is burnt out. Why?

When the transition between wye and delta takes place, be very sure that that the mechanical interlocks on the contractors are properly adjusted. If one doesn’t completely open before the other closes, you have a line to line fault. That will eventually take out the upstream breaker. Be careful, this is a very dangerous starter. I have been done this road many times.

“Star/delta switching” is delicate maneuver.
* The engine has almost no force to push something more than itself at startup. When it’s time for mode switching start to delta, may not happen too quickly. The arcs that occurs when the star contactor switch off, needs a few milliseconds (minimum 20 ms). Typical of an MCCB to go off is 50 ms and on is 20 ms.
* If the load is too high during startup, the engine will get overloaded when switching from star to delta and arcs can become very powerful and devastate even the strongest Components. In case the engine does not start at idle, the start method is directly harmful to both motor and power grids. Instead of a soft and comfortable start, we get instead two powerful surges. (In that case it may be even better with only one MCCB).Should this be the case, there are two solutions: Make sure the engine starts without load or replace the Star/Delta switch to a soft starter.
3: Next step is a frequency converter but then it’s about something completely different.

AQ: How to select a drive between motor and machine?

We should select a drive (direct/flexible, chain, flat/vee/ribbed belt, gearbox, soft start). The motor/starter/drive characteristics should match that of the load. Design and factors to be considered in selection.

AQ: How to connect 3 phase motor?

Making a connection of 3 phase motor the nameplate shows different voltages for delta it is 380-400 volt and 660-690 volt for star, what option should be selected? the supply Line to Line voltage is 380-400.

Each stator winding of the motor can withstand 380-400 V.
Thus, if you connect your motor (the stator of your motor) in delta, it should be connected to 380-400 V line-to-line.

On the other hand, if you connect the stator winding of your motor in Y, you’d be able to connect your motor to line-to-line voltage that is sqrt(3) x 380-400 V = 660-690 V.

The actual output power (for a standard squirrel cage 3-phase AC motor) is not determined by the motor itself, but by the load it is driving. The motor will attempt to run at a speed near its synchronous speed, and to deliver the power required by the driven machinery at that speed. This means that the current taken up by the motor at any given voltage, will be almost the same whether it is star, or delta connected. If you therefore connect the motor in star while supplying it by the voltage it is designed for when delta connected, the current through each winding will be sqrt(3) times the winding is designed for. This again means that the heat dissipation in the winding will be approximately 3 times what it is designed for, and therefore it will burn out if you load the motor with its nominal load.

We should be aware that the motor power as mentioned on its nameplate, in relation with the available power of the MCC panel to which it is connected, are the important factors in choosing the type of starting of the motor. Take into account the fact that starting the motor direct in Delta connection (which is the correct one based on your network voltage) the currents may be up to 8xInomianl of motor and if your MCC doesn’t have the capacity to withstand this current (by decreasing its supply voltage ) you may fail with DOL Delta starting type. Is that why, based on the power of motors, in order to avoid high currents during the starting time, it is recommended the Y/D connection. Limitations in starting currents by Y/D are considerable by decreasing the current first with sqrt3 because the feeding voltage is not 660V (you feed the motor with 380-400V) and the current initially in Y is sqrt3<I delta, so it is 3 times less than Delta DOL. Y/D is not the single one, there are a lot of solution to start AC motors.

AQ: Electrical equipment in hazardous areas

With regards to hazardous areas, Electrical equipment to be installed in those areas should comply with the zone classification. I believe the location where you are intending to install this motor would have been classified according to your local classification standards or IEC 60079 for Liquid/gas/vapour explosives OR IEC 61241 for dusts. Therefore your motor should is to be certified to be installed in those areas, to verify this information you can ask the manufacturer or supplier to provide the Certificate of conformity.

Other information to be looked at, when installing the hazardous motors with variable frequency drive etc, the IEC requirements state that
– both motor & VFD to be certified and type tested together
– IP ratings, protection technique, temp class, gas group to comply with zone classification

It is critical to remember that the starting torque is reduced by the square, as the voltage is reduced. So at 70% voltage, the torque is down to 50%. That is where I have experienced the most trouble with soft starts.

It’s probably important to model or have someone model your load versus the motor torque on the soft starter, to make sure the motor will start, and that it doesn’t take so long to accelerate the load that it causes excessive heating, or trips overloads.

AQ: High starting torque, synchronous motor, induction motor or DC motor?

It depends on so much more than the simple requirements listed of high starting torque and variable speed. What kind of application are you using it for? Is it on an automobile (where you have DC already), a factory, and do you have the budget and/or space for a variable frequency drive. A synchronous servo motor gives great dynamic control and great starting torque per volume, but its speed range is limited (unless you’re field weakening by the back EMF). Servo-motors are also the most expensive due to their position sensors and more intelligent drives.

With a proper soft drive you can go with an induction motor, but it depends. if power is small you can go to step motor also. But dc series motor’s starting torque is high as expressed others.
DC Series motors have high starting torque but induction motors have wide range of speed control. So, If DC motor is used, then DC drives you can use, although it will be expensive and DC motors are tough to maintain than ac motors due to commutation Problem.

DC series motor would provide both the high starting torque and adjustable speed BUT beware that DC motors have high maintenance cost and also require AC-DC conversion. You could use other available options e.g. double wound induction motors etc, depending upon your requirements.

But today, there is no application where you cannot apply AC motors, asynchronous or synchronous. If the motor and the associated power electronics are correctly rated, you can have any starting torque you want.

The typical application of DC series motors was in locomotives. This technology has been replaced by AC motors since 20 years. The latest generation of high speed trains use synchronous, permanent magnet motors.

AQ: Motor starting time to reach full speed

It is not easily answered since there are many variables at play which will affect the starting time. For a large medium voltage motor, it is recommended that a motor starting analysis be performed so that proper control and protection of the motor can be set. The motor manufacturer is a good place to start to find a motor data sheet and torque curve responses; that should give you some good starting point data. Such an analysis can provide inrush current, voltage dip, and starting time.

The time that any motor to run up will depend on the actual load on the shaft. In broad terms the larger the load (related to the rated output) the longer it will take to run up. I would have expected 2 – 2.5MW motors to be manufactured to run on 10-11Kv and DoL. The startup times of these motors would typically be between 45 seconds (No Load) and 3 or 4 Minutes (dependent on the type and magnitude of the load).
I also tend to agree if the feed value is shut the motor will not initially see a significant load and should run up quite quickly.

I would start with Te time constant of the motor as the starting time in the worst case. If you intend let your motor live for long, you should design its protection to avoid starting times longer than Te and nor even close to it. As for specific application, it’s always try and error, but the guiding line should be: start at minimum load and increase it gently (some motor protection relays guard load increase rate).

AQ: Question about start a 450kW pump

Can I start a 450KW pump from the grid using star-delta and then use a bypass contactor to switch to an already running generator of 500kVA in order to avoid the starting current?

In my opinion, this operation is very dangerous. 500kVA is usually Diesel generator and interaction between load and source is very high.

Although maybe reduced starting current by means of your proposed figure but following comment shall be take in to account:
• The distance between load and generator is important
• Difference phase angle between grid and 500kVA generator possible to generate torsional effect and it is harmful for rotor in transfer moment
• Reacceleration is very important situation and maybe stall the motor
• Voltage dip due to starting another motor can make disturbance and this network is very weak respect to transient phenomena
• De-rating of generator maybe cause to have 70% or less then nominal rating of name plate (based on site elevation, ambient temperature and humidity)
• Meanwhile power absorption by electrical motor (450 kW) is more than generator normal capacity (500kVA).
As wrap up it is not safe and operational case

Actually I think it won’t work:
1). At 450 kw of a load is already bigger that the capacity of the Generator which is 500kva. (considering the pf of 20% the genset capacity is 400 kw which is way below even the maximum continuous power consumption of the load -450kw).

If your client had say 550KW GENSET, then I would definitely give him a solution which is sustainable. He just doesn’t even have to start the pump with the grid power then cross to Genset. We can propose an equipment that can give a smooth start of the motor and ration supply of power to the motor depending on the load requirement (the energy required to do a certain activity)

Soft Stop – When starting, an AC Induction motor develops more torque than is required at full speed. This stress is transferred to the mechanical transmission system resulting in excessive wear and premature failure of chains, belts, gears, mechanical seals, etc.

Additionally, rapid acceleration also has a massive impact on electricity supply charges with high inrush currents drawing +600% of the normal run current. The use of Star Delta only provides a partial solution to the problem. Should the motor slow down during the transition period the high peaks are repeated and can even exceed direct on line current. THE EQUIPMENT WE CAN PROPOSE provides a reliable and economical solution to these problems by delivering a controlled release of power to the motor, thereby providing smooth, stepless acceleration and deceleration. Motor life will be extended as damage to windings and bearings is reduced.

-Less mechanical stress.
-Improved power factor.
-Lower maximum demand.
-Less mechanical maintenance.

Soft Start and Soft Stop is especially useful with pumping fluids where torque transients often cause water hammer effects, and in some instances, failure to gradually slow the fluid down before stopping, can cause the kinetic energy to rupture pipes and couplings.

AQ: High current intensity harmonics [%THD (A)] in several motors?

Most electric motors that suffer variations in Load already have variable frequency drives, we have capacitors installed in general switchboard to correct the reactive energy and so on. I did a discretization of the electrical consumption by product type, during this energy survey I noticed that in most motors Amperage THD was high, above 40%. I would like to know what effect does it have on efficiency and possible causes and solutions.

One more thing, when is it profitable to substitute motors by high efficiency motors? Because in the transport system I have about 60 electric motors below 10HP with a power factor of 0,6 , I was thinking in installing a capacitor in the switchboard of the transport system.

Variable frequency drives and other power electronic loads will draw harmonic currents from the power source. More VFDs, UPSs, rectifiers, etc means more harmonic current. When harmonic current flows through system impedance, it causes harmonic voltage to be present on the power system. That means there are essentially harmonic voltage sources at each harmonic frequency and therefore loads will draw current (harmonics) at each one of those frequencies. PF Capacitors offer a low impedance path to harmonics (attracting them) and may be damaged when connected to a system with harmonic producing loads. It is also possible for capacitors to cause a resonance condition whereby the harmonics can be amplified. Consider detuned capacitors (with harmonic blocking reactors) or addition of harmonic filters. There are several alternative methods of filtering the harmonics.

AQ: Avoid generator overload

Two buses of 11kv, 750MVA, 3000A each fed by a transformer of 40MVA and connected through a tie breaker, now connect a generator of 18MW,11kv, 0.8 PF. How to avoid overloading?

The generator is being used as a backup power source in case utility power is lost, based on such info presented, you are going to have a hard time getting this to work with only ONE 18MW gen. In order to connect the 18MW gen to both buses, the total demand should not be more than 80% of 18MW or 14.4MW at .8 power factor. For short run times (10 or 15 minutes), you can load the gen up to 90% for continuous load, but for long run times, you need to keep it at 80%.

Demand is the diversified connected load. Not all 54.22MVA of connected load will be on at the same time, so this is why you “diversify” the load to get your actual demand load. You can look at your power bill or call your utility to find out your total demand. Or you can install a power quality monitor for a couple of weeks to get it.

A general rule of thumb is to assume that 67% of the connected load will be your demand load. But this depends on your operation. Based on this, one generator will not be sufficient for BOTH buses. However, if you are supplying each bus with its own generator, you may be ok.

Another issue is motor starting flicker. Make sure your generator can start your largest motor and that your disconnect breaker or fuses can handle the inrush. I have seen this as an issue, especially when soft starters are used. Soft starters lower the inrush by exploiting the time characteristic. If the soft starter settings do not bring the motor up to speed quickly enough, the overload trip setting on your generator may trip.

The bottom line is, you are going to have to look at this installation much closer in order to make this work with one 18MW gen. You may even have to disconnect some load when you are running on generator.