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AQ: How/where do we as engineers need to change?

System Design – A well designed system should provide clear and concise system status indications. Back in the 70’s (yes, I am that old), Alarm and indicator panels provided this information in the control room. Device level indicators further guided the technician to solving the problem. Today, these functions are implemented in a control room and machine HMI interface. Through the use of input sensor and output actuator feedback, correct system operation can be verified on every scan.

Program (software) Design – It has been estimated that a well written program is 40% algorithm and 60% error checking and parameter verification. “Ladder” in not an issue. Process and machine control systems today are programmed in ladder, structured text, function block, etc. The control program is typically considered intellectual property (IP) and in many cases “hidden” from view. This makes digging through the code impractical.

How/where do we as engineers need to change? – The industry as a whole needs to enforce better system design and performance. This initiative will come from the clients, and implemented by the developers. The cost/benefit trade-off will always be present. Developers trying to improve their margins (reduce cost – raise price) and customers raising functionality and willing to pay less. “We as engineers” are caught in the middle, trying to find better ways to achieve the seemingly impossible.

AQ: High voltage power delivery

You already know from your engineering that higher voltages results to less operational losses for the same amount of power delivered. The bulk capacity of 3000MW has a great influence on the investment costs obviously, that determines the voltage level and the required number of parallel circuit. The need for higher voltage DC levels has become more feasible for bulk power projects (such as this one) especially when the transmission line is more than 1000 km long. So on the economics, investment for 800kV DC systems have been much lower since the 90’s. Aside from reduction of overall project costs, HVDC transmission lines at higher voltage levels require lesser right-of-way. Since you will be also requiring less towers as will see below, then you will also reduce the duration of the project (at least on the line).

Why DC not AC? From a technical point of view, there are no special obstacles against higher DC voltages. Maintaining stable transmission could be difficult over long AC transmission lines. The thermal loading capability is usually not decisive for long AC transmission lines due to limitations in the reactive power consumption. The power transmission capacity of HVDC lines is mainly limited by the maximum allowable conductor temperature in normal operation. However, the converter station cost is expensive and will offset the gain in reduced cost of the transmission line. Thus a short line is cheaper with ac transmission, while a longer line is cheaper with dc.
One criterion to be considered is the insulation performance which is determined by the overvoltage levels, the air clearances, the environmental conditions and the selection of insulators. The requirements on the insulation performance affect mainly the investment costs for the towers.

For the line insulation, air clearance requirements are more critical with EHVAC due to the nonlinear behavior of the switching overvoltage withstand. The air clearance requirement is a very important factor for the mechanical design of the tower. The mechanical load on the tower is considerably lower with HVDC due to less number of sub-conductors required to fulfill the corona noise limits. Corona rings will be always significantly smaller for DC than for AC due to the lack of capacitive voltage grading of DC insulators.

With EHVAC, the switching overvoltage level is the decisive parameter. Typical required air clearances at different system voltages for a range of switching overvoltage levels between 1.8 and 2.6 p.u. of the phase-to-ground peak voltage. With HVDC, the switching overvoltages are lower, in the range 1.6 to 1.8 p.u., and the air clearance is often determined by the required lightning performance of the line.

AQ: Hazardous area classification

Hazardous area classification has three basic components:
Class (1,2) : Type of combustible material (Gas or Dust)
Div (I, II) : Probability of combustible material being present
Gas Group (A,B,C,D): most combustible to least combustible (amount of energy required to ignite the gas)

Hazardous Area Protection Techniques: There are many, but most commonly used for Instrumentation are listed below:
1) Instrinsic Safety : Limits the amount of energy going to the field instrument (by use of Instrinsic Safety Barrier in the safe area). Live maintenance is possible. Limited for low energy instruments.
2) Explosion proof: Special enclosure of field instrument that contains the explosion (if it occurs). Used for relatively high energy instruments; Instrument should be powered off before opening the enclosure.
3) Pressurized or Purged: Isolates the instrument from combustible gas by pressurizing the enclosure with an inert gas.

Then there are encapsulation, increased safety, oil immersion, sand filling etc.

Weather protection: Every field instrument needs protection from dust and water.
IP-xy as per IEC 60529, where
x- protection against solids
y- protection against liquids
Usually IP-65 protection is specified for field instruments i onshore applications (which is equivalent of NEMA 4X); IP-66 for offshore application and IP-67 for submersible service.

AQ: What is true power and apparent power?

KW is true power and KVA is apparent power. In per unit calculations the more predominantly used base, which I consider standard is the KVA, the apparent power because the magnitude of the real power (KW) is variable / dependent on a changing parameter of the cos of the angle of displacement (power factor) between the voltage and current. Also significant consideration is that the rating of transformers are based in KVA, the short circuit magnitudes are expressed in KVA or MVA, and the short circuit duty of equipment are also expressed in MVA (and thousands of amperes, KA ).

In per unit analysis, the base values are always base voltage in kV and base power in kVA or
MVA. Base impedance is derived by the formula (base kV)^2/(base MVA).

The base values for the per unit system are inter-related. The major objective of the per unit system is to try to create a one-line diagram of the system that has no transformers (transformer ratios) or, at least, minimize their number. To achieve that objective, the base values are selected in a very specific way:
a) we pick a common base for power (I’ll come back to this point, if it should be MVA or MW);
b) then we pick base values for the voltages following the transformer ratios. Say you have a generator with nominal voltage 13.8 kV and a step-up transformer rated 13.8/138 kV. The “easiest” choice is to pick 13.8 kV as the base voltage for the LV side of the transformer and 138 kV as the base voltage for the HV side of the transformer.
c) once you have selected a base value for power and a base value for voltage, the base values for current and impedance are defined (calculated). You do not have a degree of freedom in picking base values for current and impedance.

Typically, we calculate the base value for current as Sbase / ( sqrt(3) Vbase ), right? If you are using that expression for the base value for currents, you are implicitly saying that Sbase is a three-phase apparent power (MVA) and Vbase is a line-to-line voltage. Same thing for the expression for base impedance given above. So, perhaps you could choose a kW or MW base value. But then you have a problem: how to calculate base currents and base impedances? If you use the expressions above for base current and base impedance, you are implicitly saying that the number you picked for base power (even if you picked a number you think is a MW) is actually the base value for apparent power, it is kVA or MVA. If you insist on being different and really using kW or MW as the base for power, you have to come up with new (adjusted) expressions for calculating base current and base impedance.

And, surprise!, you will find out that you need to define a “base power factor” to do so. In other words, you will be forced back into defining a base apparent power. So, no, you cannot (easily) use a kW/MW base. For example, a 100 MVA generator, rated 0.80 power factor (80 MW). You could pick 80 as the base power (instead of 100). But if you are using the expressions above for base current and base impedance, you are actually saying that the base apparent power is 80 MVA (not a base active power of 80 MW).

AQ: How generator designers determine the power factor?

The generator designers will have to determine the winding cross section area and specific current/mm2 to satisfy the required current, and they will have to determine the required total flux and flux variation per unit of time per winding to satisfy the voltage requirement. Then they will have to determine how the primary flux source will be generated (excitation), and how any required mechanical power can be transmitted into the electro-mechanical system, with the appropriate speed for the required frequency.
In all the above, we can have parallel paths of current, as well as of flux, in all sorts of combinations.

1) All ordinary AC power depends on electrical induction, which basically is flux variations through coils of wire. (In the stator windings).
2) Generator rotor current (also called excitation) is not directly related to Power Factor, but to the no-load voltage generated.
3) The reason for operating near unity Power Factor is rather that it gives the most power per ton of materials used in the generating system, and at the same time minimises the transmission losses.
4) Most Generating companies do charge larger users for MVAr, and for the private user, it is included in the tariff, based on some assumed average PF less than unity.
5) In some situations, synchronous generators has been used simply as VAr compensators, with zero power factor. They are much simpler to control than static VAr compensators, can be varied continuously, and do not generate harmonics. Unfortunately they have higher maintenance cost.
6) When the torque from the prime mover exceeds a certain limit, it can cause pole slip. The limit when that happens depends on the available flux (from excitation current), and stator current (from/to the connected load).

AQ: Automation engineering

Automation generally involves taking a manufacturing, processing, or mining process that was previously done with human labor and creating equipment/machinery that does it without human labor. Often, in automation, engineers will use a PLC or DCS with standard I/O, valves, VFDs, RTDs, etc to accomplish this task. Control engineering falls under the same umbrella in that you are automating a process such as controlling the focus on a camera or maintaining the speed of a car with a gas pedal, but often you are designing something like the autofocus on a camera or cruise control on an automobile and oftentimes have to design the controls using FPGA’s or circuits and components completely fabricated by the engineering team’s own design.

When I first started, I started in the DCS side. Many of the large continuous process industries only let chemical engineers like myself anywhere near the DCS. EE landed the instruments and were done. It was all about you had to be process engineer before your became a controls engineer. In the PLC world it was the opposite, the EE dominated. Now it doesn’t line up along such sharp lines anymore. But there are lots people doing control/automation work that are clueless when comes to understanding process. When this happens it is crucial they are given firm oversight by someone who does.

On operators, I always tell young budding engineers to learn to talk to operators with a little advice, do not discount their observations because their analysis as to the cause is unbelievable, their observations are generally spot on. For someone designing a control system, they must be able to think like an operator and understand how operators behave and anticipate how they will use the control system. This is key to a successful project. If the operators do not like or understand the control system, they will kill a project. This is different than understanding how a process works which is also important.

AQ: Transformer uprating

I once uprated a set of 3x 500KVA 11/.433kv ONAN transformers to 800KVA simply by fitting bigger radiators. This was with the manufacturers blessing. (not hermetically sealed – there were significant logistical difficulties in changing the transformers, so this was an easy option). Limiting factor was not the cooling but the magnetic saturation of the core at the higher rating. All the comments about uprating the associated equipment are relevant, particularly on the LV side. Increase in HV amps is minimal. Pragmatically, if you can keep the top oil temperature down you will survive for at least a few years. Best practice of course is to change the transformer!

It is true that you can overload your transformer say 125 %, 150 % or even greater on a certain length of time but every instance of that overloading condition reflects a degradation on the life of your transformer winding insulation. Overload your transformer and you also shorten the life of your winding insulation. The oil temperature indicated on the temperature gauge of the transformer is much lower than the hotspot temperature of the transformer winding which is a critical issue when considering the life of the winding insulation. Transformers having rating of 300 KVA most probably do not even have temperature indicating gauge. The main concern is how effectively can you lower the hotspot temperature in order that it does not significantly take away some of the useful life of your transformer winding insulation.

AQ: Induction machines testing

Case: We got by testing 3 different machines under no-load condition.
The 50 HP and 3 HP are the ones which behave abnormally when we apply 10% overvoltage. The third machine (7.5 HP) is a machine that reacts normally under the same condition.
What we mean by abnormal behavior is the input power of the machine that will increase dramatically under only 10% overvoltage which is not the case with most of the induction machines. This can be seen by the numbers given below.

50 HP, 575V
Under 10% overvoltage:
Friction & Windage Losses increase 0.2%
Core loss increases 102%
Stator Copper Loss increases 107%

3 HP, 208V
Under 10% overvoltage:
Friction & Windage Losses increase 8%
Core loss increases 34%
Stator Copper Loss increases 63%

7.5 HP, 460V
Under 10% overvoltage:
Friction & Windage Losses decrease 1%
Core loss increases 22%
Stator Copper Loss increases 31%

Till now, we couldn’t diagnose the exact reason that pushes those two machines to behave in such way.
Answer: A few other things I have not seen (yet) include the following:
1) Are the measurements of voltage and current being made by “true RMS” devices or not?
2) Actual measurements for both current and voltage should be taken simultaneously (with a “true RMS” device) for all phases.
3) Measurements of voltage and current should be taken at the motor terminals, not at the drive output.
4) Measurement of output waveform frequency (for each phase), and actual rotational speed of the motor shaft.

These should all be done at each point on the curve.

The reason for looking at the phase relationships of voltage and current is to ensure the incoming power is balanced. Even a small voltage imbalance (say, 3 percent) may result in a significant current imbalance (often 10 percent or more). This unbalanced supply will lead to increased (or at least unexpected) losses, even at relatively light loads. Also – the unbalance is more obvious at lightly loaded conditions.

As noted above, friction and windage losses are speed dependent: the “approximate” relationship is against square of speed.

Things to note about how the machine should perform under normal circumstances:
1. The flux densities in the magnetic circuit are going to increase proportionally with the voltage. This means +10% volts means +10% flux. However, the magnetizing current requirement varies more like the square of the voltage (+10% volt >> +18-20% mag amps).
2. Stator core loss is proportional to the square of the voltage (+10% V >> +20-25% kW).
3. Stator copper loss is proportional to the square of the current (+10% V >> +40-50% kW).
4. Rotor copper loss is independent of voltage change (+10% V >> +0 kW).
5. Assuming speed remains constant, friction and windage are unaffected (+10% V >> +0 kW). Note that with a change of 10% volts, it is highly likely that the speed WILL actually change!
6. Stator eddy loss is proportional to square of voltage (+10% V >> +20-25% kW). Note that stator eddy loss is often included as part of the “stray” calculation under IEEE 112. The other portions of the “stray” value are relatively independent of voltage.

Looking at your test results it would appear that the 50 HP machine is:
a) very highly saturated
b) has damaged/shorted laminations
c) has a different grade of electrical steel (compared to the other ratings)
d) has damaged stator windings (possibly from operation on the drive, particularly if it has a very high dv/dt and/or high common-mode voltage characteristic)
e) a combination of any/all of the above.

One last question – are all the machines rated for the same operating speed (measured in RPM

AQ: Industrial automation process

My statement “the time it takes to start or stop a process is immaterial’ is somewhat out of context. The complete thought is” the time it takes to start or stop a process is immaterial to the categorization of that process into either the continuous type or the discrete type” which is how this whole discussion got started.

I have the entirely opposite view of automation. “A fundamental practice when designing a process is to identify bottlenecks in order to avoid unplanned shutdowns”.

Don’t forget that the analysis should include the automatic control system. This word of advice is pertinent to whichever “camp” you chose to join.

Just as you have recognized the strong analogies and similarities between “controlling health care systems” and “controlling industrial systems”, there are strong analogies between so-called dissimilar industries as well between the camp which calls itself “discrete” and the camp which waves the “continuous” flag.

You may concern about the time it takes to evaluate changes in parameter settings for your cement kiln is a topic involving economic risks which could include discussions of how mitigate these risks, such as methods of modeling the virtual process for testing and evaluation rather than playing with a real world process. This is applicable to both “camps”.

The same challenge of starting up/shutting down your cement kiln is the same challenge of starting up/shutting down a silicon crystal reactor or wafer processing line in the semiconductor industry. The time scales may be different, but the economic risks may be the same — if not more — for the electronics industry.

I am continuously amazed at how I can borrow methods from one industry and apply them to another. For example, I had a project controlling a conveyor belt at a coal mine which was 2.5 miles long – several millions of pounds of belting, not to mention the coal itself! The techniques I developed for tracking the inventory of coal on this belt laid the basis for the techniques I used to track the leading and trailing edge of bread dough on a conveyor belt 4 feet long. We used four huge 5KV motors and VFDs at the coal mine compared to a single 0.75 HP 480 VAC VFD at the bakery, and startups/shutdowns were order of magnitudes different, but the time frame was immaterial to what the controls had to do and the techniques I applied to do the job.

I once believed that I needed to be in a particular industry in order to feel satisfied in my career. What I found out is that I have a passion for automation which transcends the particular industry I am in at the moment and this has led to a greater appreciation of the various industrial cultures which exist and greater enjoyment practicing my craft.

So these debates about discrete vs. continuous don’t affect me in the least. My concern is that the debates may impair other more impressionable engineers from realizing a more fulfilling career by causing them to embrace one artificial camp over the other. Therefore, my only goal of engaging in this debate is to challenge any effort at erecting artificial walls which unnecessarily drive a damaging wedge between us.

AQ: Simulation interpretation in automation industry

Related to “automation industry”, there are generally 3 different interpretations of what simulations is:
1) Mechanical Simulations – Via various solid modeling tools and cad programs; tooling, moving mechanisms, end-effectors… are designed with 3D visualizations, connecting the modules to prevent interference, check mass before actual machining…
2) Electronics Simulations – This type of simulations are either related to the manufacturers of “specific instrumentations” used in automation industry (ultrasonic welders, laser marking systems,…) or the designers of circuit boards.
3) Electrical & Controls Simulations.
A) Electrical Schematics, from main AC disconnect switch, down to 24VDC low amps for I/O interface.
Simulation tools allow easy determinations of system’s required amperage, fuse sizes, wire gauges, accordance with standards (CE, UL, cUL, TUV…)…
B) Logic Simulations, HMI interface, I/O exchange, motion controls…
a) If you want to have any kind of meaningful simulations, get in the habit of “modular ladder logic” circuit design. This means, don’t design your ladder like one continuous huge program that runs the whole thing; simulating this type of programs is almost impossible in every case. Break down the logic to sub-systems or maybe even down to stand alone mechanisms (pick & place, motor starter…), simulating and troubleshooting this scenario is fairly easy.
b) When possible, beside automated run mode of the machine or system, build “manual mode logic” for it as well. Then via physical push-buttons or HMI, you should have “step forward” & “step back” for every “physical movement or action”.

Simulating the integrity of the “ladder logic program” and all the components and interfaces will be a breeze if things are done meticulously upfront.